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Jim Steinman influence on Paul O'Neill?
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I have rekindled my love affair with Meatloaf and I can't help to notice the similarity in some of his songs and TSO/Savatage. 

Did Paul O'Neill or Jon Oliva ever have any type of relationship with Jim Steinman, who was the main song writer for Meatloaf?  As I understand it, Meat and Jim had an on again/off again relationship but they both needed each other to be successful.  Solo albums from either guy were duds but when they got together they made magic...
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#2
No takers on this one?  They even had a similar look...

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(01-24-2019, 12:05 AM)admin Wrote: No takers on this one?  They even had a similar look...

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Maybe on the theatrical aspect of Jim's work on BOH, but Jim was clean shaven and I really don't hear it in TSO/Savatage music...progressive yes, but two totally different styles...and it took Jim a really long time to get an album completed like Paul.
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(01-13-2019, 03:50 PM)admin Wrote: I have rekindled my love affair with Meatloaf and I can't help to notice the similarity in some of his songs and TSO/Savatage. 

Did Paul O'Neill or Jon Oliva ever have any type of relationship with Jim Steinman, who was the main song writer for Meatloaf?  As I understand it, Meat and Jim had an on again/off again relationship but they both needed each other to be successful.  Solo albums from either guy were duds but when they got together they made magic...

I don’t believe there was ever any kind of relationship between Steinman and O’Neill/Oliva. I believe I have seen comments from Paul referring to Steinman as a genius though.  And several performers have worked for both Steinman and O’Neill (Patti Russo, Rob Evan, Alex Skolnick, Adrienne Warren).  I definitely hear a similarity in each other’s work though with the overly-dramatic and theatrical songs.   Not sure if Paul was influenced by him but musically much of their work treads similar territory imho.  I used to be part of a Meat Loaf/Steinman forum and the “Jim Steinman Knock-off” comments about Paul came up on occasion.
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#5
More similarities:
  • They recycle lyrics
  • Most people "didn't get" their major project but then they had the last laugh when they were so successful
  • Savatage: "I wasted my time 'til time wasted me" vs. Steinman: "You were only killing time and it will kill you right back"
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