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Jim Steinman influence on Paul O'Neill? - admin - 01-13-2019
I have rekindled my love affair with Meatloaf and I can't help to notice the similarity in some of his songs and TSO/Savatage.
Did Paul O'Neill or Jon Oliva ever have any type of relationship with Jim Steinman, who was the main song writer for Meatloaf? As I understand it, Meat and Jim had an on again/off again relationship but they both needed each other to be successful. Solo albums from either guy were duds but when they got together they made magic...
RE: Jim Steinman influence on Paul O'Neill? - admin - 01-24-2019
No takers on this one? They even had a similar look...
![[Image: nevljim3.jpg]](http://www.jimsteinman.com/neverland/nevljim3.jpg)
![[Image: oneill.jpg?w=452&h=441]](https://progarchy.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/oneill.jpg?w=452&h=441)
RE: Jim Steinman influence on Paul O'Neill? - JustTimTheBigTBone - 01-26-2019
(01-24-2019, 12:05 AM)admin Wrote: No takers on this one? They even had a similar look...Maybe on the theatrical aspect of Jim's work on BOH, but Jim was clean shaven and I really don't hear it in TSO/Savatage music...progressive yes, but two totally different styles...and it took Jim a really long time to get an album completed like Paul.
RE: Jim Steinman influence on Paul O'Neill? - danfromnj - 01-26-2019
(01-13-2019, 03:50 PM)admin Wrote: I have rekindled my love affair with Meatloaf and I can't help to notice the similarity in some of his songs and TSO/Savatage.
Did Paul O'Neill or Jon Oliva ever have any type of relationship with Jim Steinman, who was the main song writer for Meatloaf? As I understand it, Meat and Jim had an on again/off again relationship but they both needed each other to be successful. Solo albums from either guy were duds but when they got together they made magic...
I don’t believe there was ever any kind of relationship between Steinman and O’Neill/Oliva. I believe I have seen comments from Paul referring to Steinman as a genius though. And several performers have worked for both Steinman and O’Neill (Patti Russo, Rob Evan, Alex Skolnick, Adrienne Warren). I definitely hear a similarity in each other’s work though with the overly-dramatic and theatrical songs. Not sure if Paul was influenced by him but musically much of their work treads similar territory imho. I used to be part of a Meat Loaf/Steinman forum and the “Jim Steinman Knock-off” comments about Paul came up on occasion.
RE: Jim Steinman influence on Paul O'Neill? - admin - 01-28-2019
More similarities:
- They recycle lyrics
- Most people "didn't get" their major project but then they had the last laugh when they were so successful
- Savatage: "I wasted my time 'til time wasted me" vs. Steinman: "You were only killing time and it will kill you right back"